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HISID moves forward with leak detection, plumbing inspection

Tuesday, March 19, 2013

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HOLIDAY ISLAND -- At its regular meeting Monday, the Holiday Island Board of Commissioners voted to go forward with generating a Request for Proposals for a contract to detect leaks in the community's water system.

The community in experiencing 80 percent loss of treated water.

District Manager Gerald Hartley had provided a memo from Water/Wastewater Superintendent Dan Schrader covering both leak detection and repair. Options are to do the work in-house, contract it out or do a combination of the two, with the last being Schrader's recommendation. Doing the detection portion entirely in-house would require the purchase of around $66,000 in equipment, he told the board. He also recommended hiring an employee dedicated to the task, whether it is done in-house or with a contractor.

The board discussed the issue for two hours before taking a vote, getting stalled on when to hire the employee. If the board goes with a contractor, the employee can receive some training by accompanying the outfit and learning to listen for leaks. Schrader said one outfit he had talked to encouraged an employee to be on hand.

He said there is no way to know in advance what will be encountered for leaks or what it will take to repair them. He said he already has some supplies on hand and has put in an extra $25,000 for supplies for the year.

"With $25,000 we anticipate hundreds of leaks," he said.

In terms of whether to hire a contractor, Commissioner Greg Davis asked, "If we bought and purchased the equipment, would that help us pinpoint those leaks more precisely?"

"Not more precisely," Schrader said. "You'd have the same equipment."

He added that leaks "travel," and sometimes what seems like one leak can be two. Exact location can also be off by a few feet, he said.

He said his plan for detection is not all-or-nothing; it can be broken down into phases. Some suggested a three-year plan.

Hartley said they won't know what it will take until they get a survey. He urged the board to act on the problem now because of the high water loss.

"At the rate you're going, you're going to deplete and harm your wells. I can't tell you how much it would cost you to drill a replacement well. A three-year plan may help us, but if we don't allow these wells to recharge, we could also be incurring a lot more cost as well, too."

Schrader said Well #5 is running almost 24 hours a day.

In answer to a question about whether the district, being in a watershed, could get grants or a low-cost loan to help, Hartley said that with federal sequestration coming on, he doubts there is any federal money. As for loans, he said, referring to the Bischoff v. HISID lawsuit, "I don't think anyone is going to lend you money with your revenue being subject to exaction."

He said revenue sources can come from the existing budget, and existing personnel from the Roads Department can help with repairs.

Hartley will prepare an RFP for a leak detection contract and will bring it back for the board's consideration.

The board approved the first reading of Regulation 2013-1, to institute the plumbing inspection program, provide an inspector and set an inspection fee of $30, and waived the second reading and declared an emergency to have it go into effect immediately.

Hartley said the program was worded "to avoid any appearances of drafting a police power" but to have the program meet the requirements of the state plumbing code. He said the state affirmed the district must have plumbing inspection, even though some residents have questioned whether a suburban improvement district can provide it.

"If we inspect something and it doesn't meet code, we can ask for correction and can refuse to connect the water until it's fixed," Hartley said.

Property owner Tony Germani asked if something could be added to accommodate the state requirement that backflow preventers on irrigation lines be tested annually. He said it has been difficult to get someone out to do it, and it costs a lot. He said a $30 fee is reasonable. Hartley said he would look into it.

In other business, the board:

* Approved Resolution 2013-R1 to set meeting dates for the rest of year.

* Approved Resolution 2013-R2 to commend former Commissioner Linda Griswold for her service.

* Approved on first reading Regulation 2013-2 to amend the HISID code with regard to how meetings are set and conducted and also to bring notification into compliance with the Freedom of Information Act.

* Discussed a "Solutions Committee" as recommended by Chairman Ken Ames to determine the future of the community in terms of staying a SID, incorporating as a municipality or other options. After discussion and input from property owners, the board agreed it is outside the purview of HISID, that such a committee can be established independently.

Ames announced the next meeting will be held Monday, March 25, at 6 p.m. at the Clubhouse, at which the district's counsel for the Bischoff v. HISID lawsuit, Thomas N. Kieklak of Harrington Miller of Springdale, will be present to address the Bischoff v. HISID lawsuit.


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IS THERE A WATER PROBLEM ? WHO DO WE BELIEVE ? WHO's THE EXPERT ???

Tuesday, March 19, 2013

Kathryn Lucariello, Holiday Island News

(District Manager Hartley speaking) : "At the rate you're going, you're going to deplete and harm your wells. I can't tell you how much it would cost you to drill a replacement well. A three-year plan may help us, but if we don't allow these wells to recharge, we could also be incurring a lot more cost as well, too."

Schrader said Well #5 is running almost 24 hours a day. " END QUOTE

Now during the Monday meeting ALL BOC commissioners participated in extensive discussion (check the meeting tapes/recording) which was centered around the looming costs of maintaining the pumps and equipment which are running a near full capacities 24/7, and how these maintenance and equipment replacement cost might enter into the need for an immediate leak remediation program being initiated.

Other property owners have stated the above facts several times over the last year or two during BOC meetings, and have basically been ignored by the (then and now) Boards of Commissioners.

AND:

Now on the other side of the issue; property owner Mr. Blackford takes Mr. J Paul Brown to task for pointing out the apparently obvious;

Thursday, January 24, 2013, 4:19 PM,

David Blackford

To: "J Paul Brown"

... I (D. Blackford) was also concerned about the way you (J Paul) were blowing the water system problems out of proportion. To validate my response on this topic let me first explain my credentials to speak on this subject. I am a civil engineer by degree and have spent 40 years working for cities, counties, state agencies and for the federal EPA ...

...While we are pumping more water than necessary, we are not (as you imply) endangering the water system to the point of failure. The pumps are working efficiently and are not being overtaxed...

... Of course, a temporary outage could happen while the process of initiating a water system rehabilitation project is underway. ...

... I hope this e-mail will help you to get your facts straight and to direct your concern toward areas where you can help Holiday Island solve its problems. ...

... Again, I know that you are trying to address an issue which you perceive, but please learn ALL of the facts before you focus your frustration on the very people who are trying to help you. ... END QUOTE

AND THEN ....., BACK AT YA:

From: JPaul Brown to D. Blackford

Sent: Thursday, January 24, 2013 4:26 PM

Subject: Fw: Water System Facts

J Paul Brown: .... "The second item is the position that the water system is not at critical mass. I do appreciate that David is an Engineer whose bent is in this very domain. However, I am in an industry ripe with engineers and in discussion with two of these, their shared opinion was that "any", I repeat "any" water system which is losing 80% of it's finished water is in dire danger of imploding. The holes from which the water is escaping are growing larger at an accelerated rate proportionate to their ever increasing volume of escape. Spin it any way one can. These water lines are in danger of vital collapse. (Oh yes. Just last summer, "my" water line shut down due to leaks) As for the pumps, they "are" old for the most part and "were not" designed to carry the kind of load placed on them for the past ten years or so." ... END QUOTE

Mr. Blackford is quick to cite his expert credentials as his unimpeachable authority to be HI resident authority in water systems, and perhaps he is totally correct. However this would imply that Mr. Hartley and Mr. Schrader are both incompetent and inept (I guess that is another possibility) and the BOC, who are vocally in total agreement with Hartley and Schrader on the water issue) also do not have a clue as to what they are talking about (a fact which is also within the realm of possibility). Then there is Mr. J Paul Brown, and the other property owners who have voiced similar concerns of the eminent demise of the water system (perhaps, all parties might simply be in the final stages of dementia).

It certainly would appear to make sense to be concerned ---- VERY concerned.

If anyone is keeping score, officially it would appear to be 7+ (5 BOC, 2 Hartley & Schrader, + JPaul and numerous other insignificant property owners with at least some knowledge of fluid pumping and distribution systems) in favor of "extreme concern" to 1 (Mr. Blackford) of "oh, it's nothing to get excited about".

Quoting Mr. Blackford; "...get your facts straight and to direct your concern toward areas where you can help... ... you are trying to address an issue which you perceive, but please learn ALL of the facts before you focus your frustration on the very people who are trying to help you. ...".

It would appear either Blackford,and/or the rest of the BOC/powers that be, need to get on board and get ALL the facts before extolling their "supreme knowledge" to the rest of us members of the humble, and apparently illiterate, masses.

Not trying to "pick on" Mr. Blackford, but he (and the BOC, and other "TAKE THEM TO COURT" cheerleaders) has been/are a very vocal "opponent" to the TRL and Bischoff lawsuits. That is certainly his right, and perhaps justified. .........Maybe the BOC is ALWAYS right .............. .

But has HE/THEY EVER talked to the Bischoff and/or TRL to, as he puts it, "...get your facts straight and to direct your concern toward areas where you can help... ...learn ALL of the facts before you focus your frustration on the very people who are trying to help you. ..." or has he just listened to the HISID official line ??????

Seems HISID/BOC "might" have different views on some topics than those of us who are open to looking at, and learning from, ALL of the facts.

-- Posted by toobe on Wed, Mar 20, 2013, at 11:59 AM

WHO'S ON SECOND?

-- Posted by property owner on Wed, Mar 20, 2013, at 4:55 PM


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